Fight the Good Fight Club

The Mathematic Formula for Happiness

• Cynthia Cintron, Marcel Pope

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Welcome to the Fight the Good Fight Club Podcast! In today's transformative episode, co-hosts Marcel Pope and Cynthia Cintron take us on a deep dive into the world of forgiveness and its incredible impact on our lives. From personal stories of overcoming childhood trauma to practical steps on how to embrace forgiveness daily, Marcel and Cynthia shed light on the true meaning of peace and happiness.

They introduce the Forgiveness Experiment, a powerful exercise aimed at cleansing the mind of negative thoughts and fostering unconditional love. By exploring the equation H = POM (Happiness equals Peace of Mind), they reveal the secrets to living a life filled with purpose, love, joy, and peace.

Join us for this inspiring conversation and learn how to let go of past grievances, heal emotional wounds, and cultivate a peaceful mind. Whether you're struggling with personal issues or seeking to enhance your relationships, this episode is packed with valuable insights and practical advice. Remember, the fight for happiness and peace starts within. Keep fighting the good fight!

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Fight the Good Fight Club, the podcast about the relentless pursuit of a life and relationship filled with purpose, love, joy, and peace. If you're ready to get real and dig deep, then you're ready for Fight the Good Fight Club.

SPEAKER_05:

Welcome to Fight the Good Fight Club with Cynthia and Marcel. Hey Marcel. Good morning. So today we are doing something really exciting. We're gonna do an uh overview of Fight the Good Fight Club. We've done a couple of uh what are in our minds seasons, I guess, of Fight the Good Fight Club, and we thought it would be a great time to sort of revisit, talk about what our mission is, what we're doing, why we're doing it. And um, we also have something really interesting and exciting to introduce.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, it's almost like a checkpoint on where are we after all these episodes and all these lessons and after all these years of all these ideas through from a course in miracles, and not only that, but just from all the other studies you and I have done to try to maintain uh unconditional happiness and find unconditional love. Uh from the onset, though, uh one of our previous episodes was Lesson 79 from A Course in Miracles. Let me recognize the problem so that it can be solved. So today we're gonna talk about uh the problem and its solution. The the problem is, and I'm gonna summarize in one equation. This is what we all want. Most of us anyway. I'll just say many of us want this, and it's been elusive for me personally. P excuse me, H equals P O M.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, repeat that.

SPEAKER_04:

H equals P O M. So I was thinking of Einstein, who's all those equations, all those mathematics, all the physics, he came up with one summary, E equals M C squared. Almost everyone's familiar with that, right? Yep. So now that was of the physical universe. So we're talking about a mental universe here. So H equals P O M, summarized. Happiness equals peace of mind. And it's exactly what our podcast is, right? Be still free your spirit. Find peace within. So the peace within is your peace of mind, and your spirit's free and you're happy. So H equals POM. So now the problem is there is no happiness without peace of mind. Although peace of mind is happiness. So now, why is there not peace of mind? And we've covered it. I was gonna say ad nauseum, but it's it's the crux of the one problem. The mind's not at peace because it's holding on to grievances is the bottom line. And when you're holding on to grievances, they're mutually exclusive. You can't have happiness and hold a grudge. It may appear that you do, and that's why we go up and down. Fits of anger, fits of unhappiness, this this up and down, you know, oh, this marriage didn't work, and now I'm upset again. Why didn't that work? Where's my happiness? Because remember from the onset, everything we need is within. So Fight the Good Fight Club is about fighting for our happiness from within and our peace of mind. That is the good fight. So now, how did we it's not hasn't been lost. The peace is there, the happiness is there, but they're clouded because we're holding on to grievances. What are grievances? You and I have probably just used our intellect to do just empirically come up with what the handful of grievances are from a young age, right? It's not feeling worthy, not feeling loved, abandonment, abuse. It's abuse of emotional, physical, sexual, all the things that many of us experience. So that's the grievances that we're holding aside, and the pain and suffering from those, and that's ruining our peace of mind, and therefore that's why we don't have happiness. Yes. That's what this is about.

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely. And actually last night, uh you posed a question, and it was really great. It really caused us to think about where does it begin? Where does it start? When do we start to have grievances? When do we begin that process of pains and hurts and and fear and anger and all of that stuff? And you said, Sophia, when when did uh you start, do you think? And I said, Well, when you're a child, when you're little, little itty bitty bitty, and I always picture myself as a little child holding uh the doorknob over my head with my hand. So I'm thinking about three, four years old. That's kind of when you start to reason. Most people, I think, have their first memories back then. Uh Jesse, our producer, I'm gonna ask you when when do you remember having your first, your earliest memories? Were you two, three, four? When when do you remember earliest memories? Dot two? Okay. So yeah, that's about right. Two, three. So when you're when you're a child, a child has this amazing gift of making everything about themselves, right? So if parents divorce, it's my fault. I I didn't eat my dinner, I didn't behave, I didn't. So children will make everything that happens about themselves. So let's say you are a child of divorce, for example. Um, when you're a little kid, you have fear. You have fear of abandonment, you feel abandoned by your mom or your dad because they left, right? They left the house. And that's when your first fear of abandonment happened. And you're a little one, you don't know why, but that happened. Another thing that happens when you're really small, unfortunately, one out of every three females, one out of every five males are sexually abused in some way, right? They have a uh an encounter of sexual abuse. Um, whether it's a family member, whether it's a friend. We were talking about this as well. Is it a friend? Is it a family member? Is it um someone in a position of authority? That will happen whether it's a touch or uh something they saw or something. There's some experience, and that happens fairly early on. Again, a child uh maybe in their teens, maybe preteens, um, maybe very little. Marcel and I were talking, and I said I remember um having nap time. So that's probably maybe four or five years old. And there was this little girl that rolled over and she like lifted her dress or something. The lights are off, and we're on our mats. Do you remember that when you were on mats in nap time in school? And this little girl is like facing me and she's like showing me her hoo-ha or whatever, whatever they called it on voice on the side or something, you know, but whatever the name is. Um, she's showing it to me. She's like, show me yours. And I'm like, no, and I rolled over and went and went to sleep. But that was like four or five years old. And I am 53 years old, people, and I remember this five-second thing that happened when I was a tiny little, you know, little kid at nap time. And was that an abuse? Uh no. I those were kids experimenting. But if I had it, if that situation had happened differently, it may have shaped my entire life. It may have shaped my entire life. I don't know. Um, but things like that that are happening, kids. I I told Marcel also that I did um an episode in a publication that I owned, not an episode, an article, in a publication that I owned, and it was sexuality, cradle to grave. And um, it is normal for children to have sexual play um as early as four or five years old, right? Because they're experiencing themselves. And that's normal. But if if a child is in an environment where uh they are caught and chastised for that, that could scar them for life. Again, children internalize that everything is their fault, and they hold on to that. So to your point where we start to have fear, shame, sadness, all of these emotions, abandonment.

SPEAKER_04:

And then yes, I was gonna say abuse. Yeah. There can be emotional abuse. You're little, you were told you're a fat, like I was, or me too. Jesse had mentioned too, is around two years old, I remember, maybe a little younger. My my father was really upset, and I had mentioned this before, he was breaking my mother's china from Japan. He was just smashing it, and I was sitting there watching, he was just angry. So that was a form uh that was an abusive environment. And so I was subject to that. And and you that impresses on you, and that forms, you know, I was scared, didn't know what was happening, you don't know what's happening to you, but that feeling pervades throughout your whole life. And so that's the whole reason for this whole thing. So those ideas of fear, loss, abandonment, abuse, physically, emotionally, sexually, all those things happen, and they're they're part of our experience. And we're starting to gather.

SPEAKER_05:

It's almost like a bag, right? We start gathering these grievances, and then when we come into our adult life, we haven't we haven't um made sense of it.

SPEAKER_04:

And what we're still carrying that and is spilling over into our relationships.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, what we do is that we start now gathering, we start to gather evidence that proves that we're right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Right? So if I have an abandonment issue, well, somebody abandoned me because I'm not lovable, right? So I'm gonna start to create experiences or any time that something comes up that I can, that the little voice in my head can say, You see, you're not lovable. So you start to create evidence to support that. So it amplifies that grievance. And then when you're old enough to start to make your own decisions, what do we do? Now we start making decisions that will support that grievance. So for me, I had um abandonment issues and I felt that I wasn't lovable, and I felt um I didn't have a relationship, a good relationship with my mother. So when I left my parents' house, what did I do? I went right from my parents' house into an abusive relationship where I was sexually abused, physically abused, emotionally abused. It was, you know, I almost died. I almost lost my life. Any abuse will do. Any abuse will do, because you know why? As long as it just attention.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, any abuse will do.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, we're yeah, we're absolutely well. What happened was that I wouldn't I didn't leave that relationship because I unconsciously was looking for love in any way, shape, or form.

SPEAKER_04:

And you equated love with abuse.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. So it was attention. It was attention, right? Yeah. So and and so a lot of a lot of people that come from an abusive environment will seek will will come will go into that because it's familiar, right? It's a familiar um relationship. Even if it's not comfortable, even if it's not good, it's familiar, and then we don't know how to leave it, and then we're recreating that, and now we think it's our own fault. So I I'm telling you, the first three years of that relationship, I believed that I was and he told me that basically it was my own fault, right? That he was doing what he was doing because I was doing I I wasn't loving him enough, I wasn't behaving the way that he needed me to behave, so I would lose weight, I would do anything that I could do to figure out a way to get him to love me in a way that was healthy.

SPEAKER_04:

There's a but it wasn't gonna happen. There's a twist on what he said. It kind of is your own fault because but you didn't know why, because you have the power to change your thoughts and leave him, right? You stayed. Whose fault was it you stayed? I mean, let me say it a different way. Take responsibility for staying with him.

SPEAKER_05:

But you're not to leave. Correct. I didn't know how to leave. So I I became a victim and victimizer.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, no, let me just change. No, it wasn't your fault. However, at any point You're saying it's my fault. There's take it we're taking you off the idea that we can take responsibility, but we don't know how. So so I don't know if we're gonna tangent off this too much of the topic, is really H equals P O M. So the peace of mind is ruined by grievances from all these things, abuses of every type, every kind. Forget why they got there. I mean, you can go back and trace, but the fact that they're there is is really what we're honing in on. It's almost like if you're if life, uh if our mind has a a spirit running through it very calmly, there's no like in a stream rapids, but a boulder is thrown in there, it disrupts the water, the stream, and then you get enough of them, then you have rap and there's turbulence in your mind. And that's the uh that disrupts your peace. So you gotta get the boulders out of there, and what and you gotta identify what they are and let them go. Feel them, feel the pain of whatever was caused, but realize that and and this we're leading up to how to let them go.

SPEAKER_05:

So well, we become comfortable with the pain, yeah, and it's something that's familiar, and we just kind of don't know how to how to leave that. I have friends who, as I said, I'm in my 50s, and I have um girlfriends who are going through divorces, right? And um they're dating, and it's really interesting because I'll find I have a girlfriend that um she dates younger men and uh she has um sexual relations with them really quickly because she feels like she's competing with younger girls for their attention. I'm like, what are you doing? Are you kidding?

SPEAKER_04:

But she feels worthy if she can succeed.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, she wants this guy so badly, or she wants to be in a relationship, better said, so badly that she doesn't see her worth. So she feels that whatever comes her way, she has to do anything that she can do to compete to be in this relationship. And what she doesn't realize is by the way, beautiful woman, brilliant. Uh, just I I would date her if she were a guy and she weren't you and I didn't have you in my life. Like, I'm like, I would, it's like, you are amazing. Why are you accepting? Why are you selling yourself so short? Like, you don't even allow the guy to love you to come. And by the way, here's a funny thing that I told her that she doesn't accept. I've actually spoken to a guy who's on the other side of that. And he said to me, Man, I hate the fact that women who are age appropriate, I can't date women who are age appropriate because they just want to have sex and they don't want to have a relationship. Like I wanna, I wanna be in a relationship. I want to, I want to talk to a woman, I want to have a partner in my life. And every time I I meet a new woman, she just wants to have a sexual relationship. And I'm like, that is so crazy. I'm talking to both sides of the each his own, right?

SPEAKER_04:

They're in a different so to each other's.

SPEAKER_05:

By the way, I see that I see that you are that you're you're being triggered.

SPEAKER_03:

What's wrong, hon? You're being triggered. I I said something that was really insensitive. I said it was your fault.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, hon.

SPEAKER_03:

And so I'm sorry. What was it that you said?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, those things that happened to you was your fault. And that that's not what my intention was. You had some horrible things that happened to you, it wasn't your fault. So what I'm trying to say is I'm sorry. What I was trying to say is.

SPEAKER_05:

Can I stop you right there? Can I stop you right there? Um thank you.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you. That's not what I was saying. Thank you. This wasn't your fault. Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

This but but I I want to stop here because three years ago when we started dating, not only would you not have recognized that you said something that was insensitive, you would have doubled down on it and been like, what's your problem? Like, move on. And three years ago, you would have said that. I would have gone home and I would not I would have been so stuck on that you said that, and I would have tried to figure out a way to to mitigate that. But look at where we are here. You are recognizing that, and for me, I'm not even triggered by it at all. So it's it's pretty amazing. I just want to say that's amazing.

SPEAKER_04:

I want to say the least thing I'd ever do is say anything offense to anyone.

SPEAKER_05:

Thank you, bit.

SPEAKER_04:

But your ego is much bigger than your heart back then. Well, I I'm trying to get from A to Z without going through the whole alphabet these days. I don't I don't who knows how much more time any of us have. And this is this is all relating to this entire episode. Yeah. I don't want to spend any more time on sadness and you know uh past grievances, holding on to grievances, just want to forgive and just be happy. Happiness equals peace. I want peace of mind. But I realized when I said that how horrible that that sounded. And saying that, oh yeah, he's right in what he said. No. What I was trying to say is at some point, hopefully, we can find much of the strength to make a decision to take responsibility for how we feel, and not count on someone outside of us to say something, do something, or be a certain way to make us happy. And that's really what I was trying to say. So taking responsibility for how we feel and understanding why, and that's so this is so when you talked about your girlfriend and her body and what she does, so here's the crux of it all. Remember the one problem is the idea that we are separated. So our spirit if the fundamental idea is that we are spirits, we're eternal. And I think there apparently a lot of people believe that.

SPEAKER_05:

And those spirits are love, right? So we are love and light.

SPEAKER_04:

So we're pure, peace, love, and light. So we come into this world as a spirit who's perfect, whole, complete, nothing but love. We enter a body, and then we have a mind. The mind the spirit comes into the body with a mind. Okay. Then the mind becomes split. It forgets its mind of spirit, now it's the mind of body, and that part of our mind identifies with the body, and that's where the separation begins, so to speak. That split mind. So because of that, the body feels the effects of all the pain and suffering of the idea of separation. Thank you. That's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_05:

So so describe now. We've got the two minds, right?

SPEAKER_04:

The mind of the spirit and mind of the body.

SPEAKER_05:

So the mind of the spirit is the love, the peace, the light. It's absolute perfection.

SPEAKER_04:

It can never be broken, is always there, is forever.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, and then so the mind of the body is where we house the hurts and the pain.

SPEAKER_04:

So the mind of the body is the one that feels separated, scared, afraid. Now it's a dog eat dog world, a life and death struggle. Everything is in a means to an end of survival. And it's a good thing. And the ego runs that part of it, right? Our egos run that part of it. And that's where conditional happiness lies. Conditional love lies. Okay. Unconditional love and happiness is of the mind of the spirit, which is quietly waiting over here. Waiting. Just waiting all the time. That one act of a split mind throws up the barrier and blocks out the mind of the spirit. And now we're caught up in our minds of all this pain and suffering, which answers the question why are so many people harming other people? Because they're caught up in their minds, and they're so here's the key words unloving thoughts come out of a separate, split mind. And if you're having unloving thoughts, then you're identifying with your body and your mind. Because we are not bodies. Um, you know what uh catacombs are? Stacked relics, stacked skeletons. Almost every country's got them. But think about every one of those bodies was at once covered in flesh and a person with a spirit and a mind. So now those the mind's gone, the life's gone, the flesh's gone, nothing but bones. So was that who is that who we are? We're skeletons covered. No, we are the life that it's like a lamp. The lamp lights up. The light in the lamp is who we are. So the idea is this. Now that's where all the pain the body feels the effects of the abuse, emotional, sexual, physical, the loss, the fear, because it feels separated from its eternal source of life. So the transition is to if you can just let those cloud of grievances go, the mind of spirit comes back.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. So when all of those things happen, we make decisions, right? And then we have um because I want to I want to bring in here this concept of where you talk about a sick mind and delusional mind. Yeah, so we make decisions and we have thoughts that reinforce and that keep us and actually drive us further and further and further and further away from the peace, the love, and the perfection that we are. So what we're doing with Fight the Good Fight Club, the fight is to go from the sick, broken, sad, angry, guilty, shameful thoughts to focus and be of the light, the healthy, peaceful. And and we want to spend now we can't do this 24-7, right? We can't be perfect people all. I mean, I I think a lot about why we're here. And for me, I think that um we come here to learn lessons. So I don't, I'm not upset at the at the difficulties that I experience because without the darkness, there's no light, right? I don't see, I don't know that I am a beautiful, perfect being if I haven't seen what it's like to be an imperfect, broken being. So I embrace the the negative things that happen in my life because they bring me closer to the light. They make that light part shine. So at this stage in my life, I'm so full of joy and happiness because I am closer, because I'm finding I'm in a relationship. My partner um and I are enjoying this beautiful, gorgeous, happy, loving relationship. And it comes with its negative moments.

SPEAKER_04:

It's it's coming from the spirit, mind of the spirit. Yeah. And it's letting all the grievances go. Yeah, when you do that, but it can be very hard to do because some of them are deeply ingrained in us, it's it's who we become. So that's the epitome, right? Somebody using their body to get whatever their validations are because they're so identified with the they think they are the body, and so if you accept my body, then you accept who I am. No, the idea here is that we are spirits. So we come into this world and we're gonna leave as spirits and we're hopefully be a wise spirit, right? We've learned what we're not. That's the whole idea. We learn what we are by learning by experiencing who we're not. But in that time, this is really uh can be a joyful life, a happy life, if we don't get hung up on the things that weren't supposed to happen to our bodies that we allowed into our minds. Something can happen to your body, but remember that's just the body. And you know, I was joking with you, going, you know, here's one scenario to where, you know, you got here you are as we're a human, and then but you're aware of the spirit of the mind, of the mind of the spirit, and somebody does something to your body that you didn't welcome, it was violent, whatever, and you and go, how was your day? And you well, my mind said to my spirit, look what happened to the body I occupy. It was a it was amazing. Just this I got beat up. It was crazy what happened to my body. That's one scenario, right?

SPEAKER_03:

The other scenario is look what this person did to me.

SPEAKER_04:

See the difference? You are the body, you think you're the body, and the damage was done to the body. The other scenario was we are minds, we are spirits, we are not bodies, and that's the point. Well, I think any harm done to our bodies, that's that's what happens to our bodies. Yeah. It's up to us whether or not we let it happen to our minds. Right.

SPEAKER_05:

So in practical application, I think um just to sort of explain the the the body and and the mind separation, when something happened, I know that um, like for example, you know, sexual abuse that happened to me, that happened to my body, and then I I went into my into victim mode, right? I'm a victim or or I'm a survivor of sexual abuse, right? Well, in order for me to be able to move beyond that and be able to have a life that isn't ruled by this thing that has happened to my body. Um, and and by the way, just like this, I can talk about it. I can recount, I can tell you the entire story of exactly what happened. It doesn't mean that I'm happy it happened, it doesn't mean that it's like the like I haven't moved into the space where it's like, hey, check out what happened in my body, but I'm so happy about it, I'm fine, I'm I'm at peace with it, or whatever. No, it's something that happened. But when I when I accepted what happened, and when I came into the realization that it was my choice whether I was going to let this event that happened in my life rule my life. And when I decided that I was going to move beyond that, and that I was gonna have joy and peace and love in my life, um, I was able to see that differently. I was able to that event, I was able to, hey, guess what? Forgive that part of my life because there was this one really horrible, um, really life-altering I well, everyone has life-altering experiences, right? That that that sort of I think Dr. Phil said that there are like ten moments in your life that that define your life, right? And that could be a death, that could be uh um an accident, it could be a loss, it could be, I mean, that but there are ten defining moments in your life. This is one of those defining moments in my life. Um and I spent a lot of time blaming myself for putting myself in that situation. I took this man on this business trip with me where I almost lost my life, where I was held and abused and beaten and almost killed. I was almost murdered. Um and um I I blame myself. I I moved from blaming him to blaming myself. And usually that that that would that's what happens in a lot of situations. That person is gone from my life. They've moved on, they've gotten married, they've had children, they've, you know, having joyful experiences. They have moved on, but I'm holding on to it, right? I am blaming myself, I'm blaming him, I'm just, you know, recreating it over and over and over and over and over in my head, and not allowing myself to have joyful relationships because I'm so hung up, right, on this terrible thing that happened to me. Um, then there came a point where I decided to really face it. And I did this with my personal development groups, I did this through therapy, I did this through a lot of uh personal healing and forgiveness. And I finally came to a place where I forgave myself and forgave what you explained to me, which I didn't understand until recently. I forgave. gave the part of his mind that did or that allowed him to do what he did to me. That's right.

SPEAKER_04:

You forgot you forgive his unloving thoughts that result from the actions that he carried out on your body. And it it sounds like a a way to justify it, but you're trying to get down to the truth and you're trying to let the grievance go. I didn't forget it.

SPEAKER_05:

I haven't forgotten it. I haven't what I've done is what I've done is in forgiving myself and that part of his mind, I set myself free. Forgiveness is an act of love that allows you to set yourself free from the hurts and the pains that keep you tied, that keep you sad and stuck in unhappiness and misery.

SPEAKER_04:

How does it end? How does it all end? So okay he did that to you you're angry now you're going to go create extend that misery in some other form to someone else and then they're going where does it stop?

SPEAKER_05:

And this is why this whole I mean I I invited toxic relationships in my life after that over and over and over again until the day that I decided that I wasn't going to do that to myself that I was going to love myself that I was going to embrace the peace the love and the joy that I am entitled to from birth. I came into this world to be happy and joyful and experience this.

SPEAKER_04:

And sometimes experiences of that sort can derail you and you get lost in it and now you forget who you are which is an eternal spirit. Exactly that's what this whole idea is all about is remembering who we really are so um that whole so unforgiving him for his unloving thoughts that resulted in the actions of his body upon your body is really wisdom is spiritual wisdom. Then you forget it and you forgive him let it go because here's the key if you're holding that boulder and the stream of life flowing through you is going to cause disruption and there won't be peace. And remember happiness equals peace of mind. And so you're always going to have something on there's always going to be a little chip on your shoulder a little bit of fear. Fear and love are mutually exclusive you can't have both it's one or the other if you that's the funny thing though if you if you have a lot of love in you but some fear you won't be able to fully love. The fear will block it and there's always that apprehension so you're not at peace. So and and this I've read a lot there are very few people I think who really know how to live it. And there are many people out there who have they they they write books about it they try to teach us you know and it's but so hard to get rid of these grievances. Why'd this happen to me? Life's unfair you know and it's like at some point we just gotta get all the boulders out of the stream. We got to completely forgive and let go of all the grievances. And if you do it for yourself you also do it because all of our minds are connected we're not alone in experiencing the effects of of a mass shooting we all feel the pain of that right we do. We all feel it and we all feel when someone saw something on court cam. This guy murdered uh her this lady's son she got up there and says I forgive you she goes I have mercy on your soul you're like like a like a child you could have been my child and I feel bad for your mother I feel bad for your family I forgive you and I however no reason she goes I don't want that in me and I feel I pray for you and so she was extending forgiveness rather than anger and because she didn't have that in her she goes I don't want those feelings in me. So that in that moment of where most people would hate and be angry and be victimized because it took her only son you know and I thought that's the message that I want to live the rest of my life is peace, love, forgiveness and happiness.

SPEAKER_05:

And it doesn't negate anything I think that's one of the things that people feel and I felt it for a really really long time if I forgive then I'm giving that person a pass. I'm giving them a pass. I'm saying that what they did is okay. That is false. Yeah that is absolutely false that event happened to you it it absolutely hurt and and you still remember that what we're suggesting is and what many suggest and what forgiveness suggests is that you are loving yourself enough not to be constantly persecuted by this thing that happened to you once right yeah it's yeah so you're loving yourself but really so loving yourself is being the spirit that you are the loving spirit the spirit of love is what you're embracing and extending not the pain of the body right it's not the physical pain of the body and the identification with the body and this is so this is spiritual wisdom at its height. And so what I'd like to do here because we're kind of moving into um when we come back from the break we are going to dive a little deeper into forgiveness and focus and introduce uh something that we're very excited about and um I think you'll be excited about it too. I'm excited about it. So come back to Fight the Good Fight Club.

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Thanks for listening.

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If you're enjoying this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast please subscribe and tell your friends for more tips and ways to dig deep and get real sign up for our newsletter read blogs and shop our merch at fight the good fight club.com one of the things that I think we forgot to mention when we were talking about Fight the Good Fight Club before we dig before we dive into uh the forgiveness experiment and forgiveness Fight the Good Fight Club is based on Marcel's readings of a course in miracles uh it began because Marcel and I years ago when we started dating uh I would come back I think I would come back from Pilates or walking the bridge or doing something and Marcel would run and we would kind of meet up like on a Saturday morning at his place on the beach. It was wonderful and I would walk in the door and I'd say what did you read today? What is the lesson today? And he would tell me about it and I was really curious and I thought it was really interesting and something that I'd never heard of before and I don't know he just started teaching me and and he's got this great voice and and I just really was excited about what he was reading about every week.

SPEAKER_04:

You know and it took me a while to really understand what it was really it's about our minds. It's all it really is about it's about our minds and who we really are we are eternal spirits and then we come here as human beings and then we have a mind that can freely choose one way or the other we can choose the mind of the spirit or the mind of the body and that's where all hell breaks loose exactly based on whatever we choose. We get lost in the identific so we've spent good time on that but I I did want to mention you mentioned go ahead.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh and then um one day you called me I was going to move on to say how we started the the podcast but finish our okay so we're so polite with each other. Don't worry people we still argue we'll be doing this for years we're loving and arguing and loving and making up and having good times. By the way that's fighting the good fight club we are human and until the day we die the difference is how we do it and that we always remember that we love each other and we have higher highs which are really amazing and we have less lows which is super amazing. Yeah so one day Marcel called me and said hey I want to do a podcast I just started this company Fight the Good Fight Club and we're gonna do this and I remember I was on the phone and I'm like what is he talking about? Okay sure I'm a project manager and I create things and bring me an idea and I'll make it happen. And then we started talking and and we created Fight the Good Fight Club called Jesse our producer at Space Coast Podcast and said hey we want to do a podcast and then we started formulating so our first episodes are a little rough because um although the idea was fantastic actually creating the show uh we had to create our format and something that felt right and something that that was um comfortable for for us to be able to impart because uh we we knew that what we were talking about was was wonderful for us but we didn't know exactly how we were going to present it to others to accept so that's kind of been our journey and now we have taken it a step further Marcel called me because he does this he calls me and says I have something really cool I want to do the forgiveness experiment and I'm like what?

SPEAKER_04:

Okay back to the drawing board what are we creating the forgiveness experiment sounds cool what is it so that one of the last lessons we did let me recognize the problem so it can be solved and we've already mentioned the problem the problem is our peace of mind is ruined and we're not happy happiness equals peace of mind H equals P O M, right? So now it's the grievances we're holding on to that is ruining our peace of mind and ruining our happiness and the grievances are someone outside of us hurt us because we identified with the body so it's realizing that we are spirit. But to be spirit we have to let all of our grievances go and so what's what's the only way to do that is to forgive. That's why I had mentioned next to love itself the highest act of love is forgiveness and this is why it really is because when you're holding a grievance in your mind your mind is now tainted. You've now got a boulder in the stream of life that's trying to flow through it. And so you've just got to get rid of all of them whatever they are doesn't matter who perpetrated it why it happened you were defenseless as a child it's you're getting rid of the blame shame guilt game and you're taking ownership responsibility and you're just gonna forgive everyone for everything. And because you don't want a single thing in your mind it's like hey this is an awful example when you're gonna eat food how much quote well how much cow manure do you want in your food when you're eating it right none right so your mind's the same way how much grievance do you want in your mind to taint the love that you want to have and be how much none right and I thought wow so I really because I I keep reading in this and I and I'm really starting to get it our minds are the key to our happiness.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah and and to expand on that and and do and provide a a real world example it's really interesting um uh if you've been listening to the podcast for a while you know that I went through uh forgiveness with my parents who I didn't speak to for almost 30 years and I did personal development and I did a ton of forgiveness exercises and I remember I told Marcel and I told myself that I had forgiven and that I wasn't I wasn't holding any grudges and I was perfectly fine and I wasn't angry and I wasn't doing um I it wasn't affecting me. So the separation with my parents between me and my parents wasn't affecting me at all. I was perfectly fine I didn't miss them everything was great and this is what I told myself and I believed this with all of my heart and soul um to the extent that when um my brother got married there were several events that I went to and my parents were there and I just didn't talk to them I didn't look at them I didn't see them I didn't you know they stayed on their end of the room I stayed in my end of the room and you know I told myself hey this is great we're perfectly fine look I'm good I'm not affected by this at all and uh recently over the last couple of years I've come back into relationship with my parents and we went through um a process where and not everyone has the opportunity maybe you know you may be holding a grievance with someone who has passed away or someone that you're not gonna have an opportunity to have relationship with in the future but um there was uh in my case I did I came into forgiveness with my parents and it wasn't even really a choice I did it because my nephew was born and I just didn't want to be in a room where my nephew was and my parents were and that that he would have any negative energy. So I remember thinking to myself my brother asked me and Marcel helped you know was uh supported me and I thought you know I want to have a cordial relationship I think that that is much healthier than just ignoring each other and finding my brother my sister in law trying to figure out how to have everybody in a room and we can't get along or we can't you know it's uncomfortable for everyone. So I took it upon myself now mind you and I and I want the listeners to who are listening to this to understand that it was born out of an act of love this this exercise in forgiveness and I didn't realize it at the time I realize it now but because I wanted my nephew to be in an environment where there was love in the room for him and that he wasn't experiencing negativity from us because we're not speaking so I thought you know what I can be in a room I'm a powerful person. I've been through so much in my life I can be in a room and I can say hello how are you how's your day and and be cordial with my parents I'm a smart powerful you know intelligent loving person I can do this and I challenged myself because I wanted to create this environment it was a gift that I was giving to my nephew okay so I told my brother to give my phone number to my father and he could call me and we would we would do this. So um it wasn't even a it wasn't an act of forgiveness at the time I didn't think I thought it was a loving um gift for my nephew to be able to have all of his loved ones in a room and not have negativity. Does that make sense? Yes so that's where it started and how funny is it I look back now and I think this loving um this act of love that I was giving to my nephew and my sister-in-law because her mother had passed away and I wanted to create this so it was an act of love that created forgiveness and now two years later I look back and I think of all of the amazing times that we've had the family vacations the dinners the laughter the joy everything that I'm benefiting from that I never even imagined I couldn't even wrap my mind around what it would look like two years later and I gave this gift not just to my nephew but I gave this gift to myself I gave this loving gift to myself of forgiveness. You let all the grievances go I let all the grievances go.

SPEAKER_04:

And I I think if you I don't want to say mechanically or intuitively really understand how the mind works then once you understand it it's easier to accomplish because me personally I didn't I wanted to know how the mind really really works. I read a book many years ago called Think and Grow Rich and it said thoughts are things and whatever you hold in your mind whatever you think about you bring about all those concepts and that was more or less how to you know obtain success in the world usually of a material fashion but it also obtains to in this case forgiveness you hold forgiveness in your mind long enough you start seeing forgiveness you start being forgiveness. And uh so real quick I one of the other reasons too was um when I was a kid I was molested and I and I tried to kill myself I tried to set my house on fire. Never told anybody that my family knows they can't Marcel where is it? I I just I didn't tell anybody and so they found I I had lit a mattress on fire on the first bunk of a bike bed and a couple years passed and I I jumped in front of a car and tried to kill myself because of the pain of that abuse.

SPEAKER_03:

Everybody thought the guy swerved and hit me no I jumped in front of it I've never told that I was four years old because the pain was so bad I was just a kid I knew something happened to me I shouldn't have so I figured I live for a reason.

SPEAKER_04:

And I've had nine other brushes with death and I thought I am here for a reason I thought okay what have I learned in this life? And it's the one thing that I'm learning is forgiveness of everyone and everything. I am not going to hold anything in my mind anymore of negativity or judgment on what goes on in this world because this world are there are hellish things that are done from unloving thoughts of separated minds who feel they're separated. Okay so that's why I say when you forgive everyone for everything what are you forgiving who are you forgiving you're forgiving the unloving thoughts from every mind that believes itself to be separated in every person. And from that everything that spills out of those unloving thoughts is everything. So I forgive everyone for everything. And what it does you're not holding in your mind any grievance any judgment any uh negativity and you're keeping your mind whole perfect and complete and you've chosen the mind of the spirit at that point. I don't want to give away the res Okay go ahead.

SPEAKER_05:

And and it's important also to realize that um sometimes um you don't just forgive one time you forgive over and over and over forgiveness is a gift uh that just keeps on giving um to with with the story with um with my family um recently my mother did something that irritated me I can not even tell you I'm I didn't speak to my parents for two months yeah because I was um compartmentalizing people I had to reach into my bag of tricks and forgive again I was Marcel saw me he's my anger went through the roof I think he told me that my head spun around three times and pea soup popped out of my you know came flowing out of my mouth I looked like the exorcist I literally lost my mind I was so angry um and I held it for a little bit and it's very easy to realize that that I had a visceral reaction back to you know when I was a kid I mean I thought well I can't do this I've already forgiven I'm not gonna go there and you know what I did I did not go there which tells me that I truly forgave but I was angry at what happened now and um I ended up having to do an exercise I actually wrote a letter I I put what I was angry about down in in a letter and that was where I started my forgiveness of this situation that happened and I felt so much weight come off my shoulders when when I was able to verbalize what I was upset about and what it was that was irritating me and um and what I was afraid of and what I felt what what was coming up. So I wrote it and I gave it to Marcel and I said read this and I think that's where I I started to forgive and and move through it.

SPEAKER_04:

And we just saw them recently and we had a wonderful I said okay we need to go down there and see them and and I forgave again you know something that happened currently you have to continually forgive it's a forever thing while you're a human it's just is continual forgiveness.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah so we're not we're not saying that you're gonna do um and we're gonna talk about the forgiveness experiment but that you're gonna forgive and that it's just gonna disappear from your life and you're just gonna be you know Pollyanna and everything is going to be beautiful and roses and sunshine. But I'll tell you what once you learn how to forgive and you know what it looks like and you experience the joys that forgiveness brings the peace actually better said the peace that forgiveness brings you are probably going to be more apt to do it again and look you know and and and look for it and it'll come easier. Forgiveness will come easier and you will recognize what it feels like to forgive. It doesn't mean that you have forgotten it means that you have set yourself free from the chains that are holding you to that pain.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly and and for me the truth of the matter is it's uncover something that's inside of all of us there's something called truth and it's in us and it's always calling out to us with a very subtle voice and it's truth and happiness and eternity and we're eternal beings.

SPEAKER_05:

And so Marcel what was that process I'm curious the the forgiveness that that you experienced after I mean that was an incredibly profound actually I don't think you've even ever told you told me you had um that your leg was broken but you didn't tell me a car hit me.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah you told me a car hit you but you've never this is the first time that the reason I've ever never told because it's something I harbor deep down inside myself because it was is this the first time you've said it out loud ever in my entire life.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow so that's powerful it's because of this experiment.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm telling you so I realize that so you're going through forgiveness of this now doing this experiment.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly all this stuff that's been in in me that I I knew I wanted out. I just wanted truth and and this stuff covers up the truth of who we are. It's these human experiences that we hold on to that block the truth and love and light that's in us and who we really are.

SPEAKER_05:

So so just to reiterate you just because you're doing this experiment right now you are experiencing the forgiveness of what happened to you as a child.

SPEAKER_04:

So what I wanted to do because I believe this I'm telling you is the truth we are spirits and we have a mind and that mind can choose to be the spirit or be the body and it's hard not to choose to be the body when you're a human right to identify and get lost so so uh our spirit our mind gets lost in the body but our real selves our eternal selves not the split part of our mind is still there perfect whole and complete and so so these acts that we do and we're shameful of and we're and we're we we that's blocking the spirit so okay so what I'd like to do is because we're actually this podcast is going a little long because there's so much it's so powerful I'd like to take a break because I want to talk about the the forgiveness experiment and I want to be able to cut that you know have that on the other side of the break.

SPEAKER_05:

So um we're gonna take a quick one we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk about the forgiveness experiment.

SPEAKER_02:

Thanks for listening. If you're enjoying this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast please subscribe and tell your friends. For more tips and ways to dig deep and get real sign up for our newsletter, read blogs and shop or merch at FightTheGoodfightclub.com We are going to talk about something really something we're very excited about the forgiveness experiment.

SPEAKER_05:

Marcel, what is the forgiveness experiment?

SPEAKER_04:

So back on March 27th I was of course of course going through the Course in miracles and it was um this idea came to me of forgiveness being uh the key to happiness happiness equals peace of mind to have peace of mind you gotta forgive all the grievances. So then I I how the mind works whatever's in your mind you're going to attract so if you hold I figured if I held forgiveness in my mind long enough forgiving thoughts long enough that that would fill my mind and just push all grievances out even ones I felt I could never let go and so I thought alright I'm gonna I'm gonna write sixty times a day I'm gonna write it on a piece of paper. I forgive everyone for everything.

SPEAKER_03:

And when a thought came to me I just felt such relief because I thought alright it's in my mind.

SPEAKER_04:

I have to think it first so now that thought's in my mind and remember what am I forgiving who am I forgiving myself and everyone else for every unloving thought that that anyone's ever thought forgiving that and I'm for everything is every action that was born out of those unloving thoughts that caused people's bodies to cause harm to other bodies and commit crimes or murder or whatever. I'm forgiving that so I'm forgiving everyone every unloving thought for everything every action that resulted in pain and suffering. So I'm forgiving the thoughts that lead to pain and suffering. So I thought okay I'm gonna conduct an experiment on myself on my own mind to see how it will work out. So I started writing 30 times in the morning first thing I got up I think well that day it was in the afternoon so I read it.

SPEAKER_05:

Did you set intentions first?

SPEAKER_04:

Like did you think about what you were going to do what's your process when you thought was this is what I've learned all these years is that our mind operates under universal laws. That whatever we hold in our mind we become and I thought if forgiveness truly is the key to letting grievances go and I'm having a hard time of letting some go, then I'll just use my mind for what it was designed to do or what it does. So I thought okay in order the reason you're not supposed to judge because a judgment is typically negative right you have it in your mind so that negativity is in your mind I thought okay I'm gonna hold the thought of forgiveness. So thinking forgiveness and then writing it is channeling it through your body it's cleansing your body. So it creates an integrity right it's really powerful because what you're thinking doing feeling is all in alignment and it makes it powerful I I imagine an infinite loop of cleansing where I think it that's your that's the first cause is my thought forgiveness I forgive everyone for everything. Then I write it now it's in the now it's in this world is through my body and on a piece of paper. Now my eyes are picking it up and putting it back it's like an infinite loop from my thought through my body through my hand on paper and from the paper back into my eyes back into my mind. And I thought that's how I'm gonna have this thought in my mind. So I'd I wrote it uh thirty times it was in that day and that night I wrote it 30 times that was March 27th. Why thirty times? Um 30 times because a habit takes 30 days and it just figured 30 times it was just a random number. Okay. But it was um I just figured 30. So uh so I actually I got a college rule notebook and it had 30 lines. So but it happened to be 30 lines. So anyway so that 60 times a day times 30 days is 1800 times. So you start your day with forgiveness and you end your day with forgiveness. That's it. And what I'm real so I don't want to so the experiment for 30 days. I don't want to tell people what my results are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

But you know so well I mean it's pretty powerful you're in the midst of it right now and I've been recording some of the some of the Well look what just happened.

SPEAKER_04:

Look what just happened. The cause is a thought and the effect is is what I I what am I experiencing which is peace. So forgiveness brings peace which brings happiness so my idea was I don't want a a molecule of hatred or grievance in my mind for as long as I live and I'm gonna do what it takes and I and I figure this experiment if the law of mind is is universal and if I the mind is like waiting for instructions okay all right what's the instructions here to hate okay we'll hate oh to be scared oh we'll be scared oh to love we'll love my function is forgiveness that's actually from a Course in miracles my own my One function is forgiveness. And I thought, okay, why is that? And I thought, okay, forgiveness. I'm gonna forgive, forgive, forgive. I'm gonna whatever you want to call. I'm brainwashing myself. I'm feeling my mind. I'm feeling my body. I'm feeling my eyes. I'm feeling everything. So what I find myself now, I'll give one spoiler really whatever was happening after two weeks. I find myself thinking, What really happened? Nothing's happened to me. Stuff's happened in my body. I am perfect, whole, and complete. I'm a powerful, eternal spirit. That's who and what I am. And this it's like the truth is coming true in me. And it's like, I don't care what else happens to this body and this life. The one thing I will do is never hold a negative thought again. All I'm gonna do is forgive. I see something on TV. Somebody did something. I forgive them. Forgive the unloving thoughts out of their loving minds and let it go. I don't want to hold it. And I'm doing my part to bring peace, love, and happiness into this physical world. And it's this sounds like I don't care if no one else does it. I just I know I'm doing my part to bring peace to cleanse my mind so I don't add more to the problem of violence, of hatred. So I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_05:

So the negativity can can happen because we we don't live on an island, right? We are who we are. Um and we're humans on a planet where terrible things happen, but we um we don't hold it. We don't hold on to it, we don't make it a part of our being.

SPEAKER_04:

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is well that okay, that is that's a form of what I'm saying. That is a form of what I'm saying, okay? But what I really recognize is I forgive the origin, the cause of whatever happened there, which was an unloving thought, out of a separated, split mind that thought it was cut off from its eternal source.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, I wanted to put some space in there so we can cut that out. Okay. So what I was saying was that you are saying that thoughts can happen, things can happen that are negative, that cause a negative feeling, but we don't hold on to it.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly. You don't hold on to the grievance.

SPEAKER_05:

Right. It just fl it just moves through you. So you're not sitting with it. What you are sitting with is peace, joy, and love.

SPEAKER_04:

You got it. Okay. And it's what you kind of observe it and then you forgive it, right? You don't let yeah, exactly. Exactly. So you're forgiving the unloving thoughts that led, which was a cause, you're forgiving that cause that led to that effect of the horrible things we see in this world. Because I was troubled by the violence. I mean, it just really hit me hard. There's someone I knew committed suicide, another lady had passed, but and I was looking, and then all these shootings and all this hatred and violence, and I think, where is it all coming from? It's coming from minds that are fearful, angry, they're unloving thoughts, to put it in one word, coming from a mind that thinks it's alone and separate, when really there is another part in those minds that's forever spiritual and loving. And so I'm by not, to your point, not letting in on my mind, by forgiving those thoughts, I'm forgiving, but I'm also keeping my mind pure because I am spirit.

SPEAKER_05:

I love that. So, with the forgiveness experiment, what we're hoping, what we're looking to do, it's just this it's a forgiveness experiment. What would happen if there was one person, two people, three, ten, twenty, a million, two million, five million? What would happen if there was an enormous amount of cumulative energy of healing and forgiveness put out at the same time? Could we possibly create a paradigm shift in this world? Could we create a movement? Could we change this world? Could we create a world that is more focused on peace and love? Our purpose as humans on this earth, if it was peace and love, what would happen?

SPEAKER_04:

You know, and and I that's exactly the thought that happened to me. And of course, you know, you have eight billion people now, and I got given interesting statistic. I I found this uh statistic, I guess it's anthropologists, archaeologists, whatever. They figure since the history of mankind, there have been a hundred and eight billion human beings have come and gone on this planet, and there are eight billion left, give or take. So I thought, okay, I'm gonna forgive everyone for everything. I'm a think it, write it, say it at least eighteen hundred times in thirty days.

SPEAKER_05:

And I thought eighteen hundred times in thirty days. You are writing for you are writing, feeling, seeing. I'm at nine thirty. Feeling forgiveness, thinking it, feeling it, writing it, projecting it, seeing it, you've got it, living it, eating it, sleeping it, eighteen hundred times in thirty days. Something has to change. Well, I now imagine multiple people around the world doing that. That's powerful, Marcel. Well, I Are you making things happen?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I making good things happen. And I know what I the effects of this these forgiving thoughts are. And I did some math. I took eight billion people in the world, and I thought, how many people would it take if if this was written eight how many times how many people would it take to write eighteen hundred times to forgive everybody on the planet? And it came out to about four and a half million uh people writing this. And then from that, the idea would be every time it's written, someone on the planet gets a for g they're forgiven for everything. Everyone is forgiven for everything. And so we have rules on this planet, bodies hurt other bodies, property or whatever, we have rules, people go to jail, whatever. But everyone has a spirit in them that's eternal, perfect, whole, and complete. And that's what we're trying to uncover and address. And then that way, I just wanted to see what it would do for me. And then I thought, wouldn't it be cool if everybody got said to them, I forgive you for everything? No judgment. I just forgive you because I love you. You're my brother, you're my sister. You know, I think that's really if we had it. Sounds Pollyannish, but there's so much, how do you where does it stop?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Seriously, where does where does hatred, anger, and violence stop? It stops with people promulgating these thoughts. Yeah. That turn into into actions. And I thought, well, you know what? If I go to my gram the only one, then so be it. I I I just know what it's doing for me. Yeah. And I I don't want to say some of the other things because it I want people to see their own results. But something just came out.

SPEAKER_05:

I just something came out, but I mean, this is incredibly I mean, I know that I've seen uh a shift. I've seen things happening with you that are really interesting. I'm actually um I'm experiencing from this side of it, I'm doing it as well, but um what I'm experiencing just because we're we're talking about you at the moment, um there's definitely a a shift in the energy with us when we like months back, if we were talking about the show or something, we'd be bickering about this or bickering about that. We're moving through things much quicker. And um when I say things, we it if there is an opportunity for us to disagree about something. Now you have to understand, Marcel and I are both really um uh how do I say strong personalities? You know, we you know, we we we work, we act at at a high level, yeah. We we we are we're very um we have our opinions, we're opinionated people, we're intelligent people, we are we have strong characters. I love that about us, you know, and honestly, it takes two strong charactered people to deal with each other. So we are it's not an accident that we're taking.

SPEAKER_04:

To sum up what you said, we both have given up the fight to be right.

SPEAKER_05:

Thank you. That's absolutely brilliant. Yes.

SPEAKER_04:

I'd rather be happy than right.

SPEAKER_05:

We are right fighting less, for sure. We are more focused on being on understanding each other and loving each other than we are on being right. Yeah, I love that about um what's what's happening. And honestly, if you are gonna be in a relationship where you love each other, what would you rather be doing? Right fighting or or being happy and loving each other, right?

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly. So so maybe that is already being a byproduct of this forgiveness experiment. I'm only halfway through, so this morning actually it was 930 times, which 1800, 900 would be the halfway point, and then so it's 30 days, so today is actually the sixteenth day.

SPEAKER_05:

There's definitely a more of a peacefulness about you that I'm experiencing.

SPEAKER_04:

I I the idea is to use the law of the eternal mind, that if you cleanse your mind of all grievances, all that's left in there is pure love. Because it it's the love and truth that we are, the spirit that we are, the mind of the spirit, it is covered up with grievances that came from a mind that felt itself to be separated in a body. And if you really think about it, bodies are limited anyway. We want to be in tune with the eternal mind, the infinite mind.

SPEAKER_05:

Wonderful. So that's the forgiveness experiment, and uh our movement is starting uh World Forgiveness Day is July 7th. So we would love to have we would love to be in full, full forgiveness mode with as many as we can to join us.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm halfway through 16th day, but I can see myself doing this rest of my life because I already know what's happening.

SPEAKER_05:

Amazing. So to learn more about Fight the Good Fight Club and the forgiveness experiment, visit Fight the Good Fight Club.com. And um, we're also launching our um merchandise store where the journal is. So we have a journal with tips that help move people along. Um, there's a whole bunch of really cool things that we're doing to support uh others in their practice of the forgiveness experiment. And we invite people to to join us. Um what could be better than waking up in the morning with love and joy and forgiveness and ending the day with love and joy and forgiveness and everything that comes with that? I can't think of anything, can you?

SPEAKER_04:

No.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, maybe spending time with Marcel. But you can't do that. I can't. So that's our episode for today. Marcel, do you have anything else that you'd like to share?

SPEAKER_04:

I think I think just before I quote die, this will be the last thing that I say. I forgive everyone for everything.

SPEAKER_05:

Wow. Okay. Is that your is that your dying bread word? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

I can tell you the effects of forgiveness when you really it's just working miracles in my mind.

SPEAKER_03:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04:

And healing my mind, which is what I want. I don't want a molecule of anger, hatred, anything in me. Not a molecule in my mind. This is how I found for me the experiment is cleansing it out. That could be an ominous sign right there.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, there's there's a thunderstorm. So we're gonna end with is that God cheering us on? Maybe that's the universe cheering us on, a big thunderclap. I love it. Let's never done that a whole time. Until next time, everybody. Keep fighting the good fight.

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